I do them mostly in hook size 6 and 4 - been a while since I have had the chance to do some Permit fishing :(, but the smaller ones seemed to work better all around (I think the 6's with a finished body about the size of a dime). I would take some with different dumbell weights - the ones that were a little too light in proportion to their body size were twirling over durning a strip, causing refusals - hence, bigger hook, bigger dumbell needed. Tan and olive worked well, and I actually alternated the colors on some, giving a mottled finished body that produced as well.